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Braddoc wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:53 pmHaven't read DotR yet....so that castle is inhabited by Aristocratic Nobles who are evil chaos worshippers who terrorize the local populace with thier foul practices and ways? 'Seems rather cliché to me...
Pretty sure Castle Wittgenstein is a riff on Castle Wolfenstein.
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Toby Pilling wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:59 pm You haven't mentioned humour and black comedy much, which is the main way I introduced social justice movements into my games. My last TOBCON scenario changed Karl from The Thousand Thrones into Karla - a Greta Thunberg clone. Her followers were busy trying to tear down a statue of Sigmar, daubing it with slogans labelling him a warmongering rapist and Imperialist. I've always found extremist Shalyans make great Antifa type facists too.

There's so much fun to be had playing around with the races of the Old World and transposing the madness of the equality fanatics - somewhere, Ogres self-identifying as Halflings are going to have to enter some kind of physical contest (or vice versa).
I’ll add that these are both brilliant ideas. I played in - and thoroughly enjoyed - your TobCon game.

The Ogre who identifies as a Halfling could also provide interesting fodder for an adventure or two. Barring some sort of drastic action, I can see why his inclusion might prove problematic for the other contestants in the Little Mootland Wrestling Contest.
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If anything that kind of humorous scenario hook can make some lovely 2020 commentary on the controversies facing cis-female athletes. Just the kind of "thought provoking" content I'm sure everyone will welcome.

"'Arry might be 7 ft. tall and built like a small watch tower, but we found him as a calf, raised 'im in the Moot as a halfling. He's as halfling as they come. So what that he flattened the competition? You could just give us the first prize purse straight away if you like."
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Toby Pilling wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:59 pm You haven't mentioned humour and black comedy much, which is the main way I introduced social justice movements into my games. My last TOBCON scenario changed Karl from The Thousand Thrones into Karla - a Greta Thunberg clone. Her followers were busy trying to tear down a statue of Sigmar, daubing it with slogans labelling him a warmongering rapist and Imperialist. I've always found extremist Shalyans make great Antifa type facists too.

There's so much fun to be had playing around with the races of the Old World and transposing the madness of the equality fanatics - somewhere, Ogres self-identifying as Halflings are going to have to enter some kind of physical contest (or vice versa).
I’ll add that these are both brilliant ideas. I played in - and thoroughly enjoyed - your TobCon game.

The Ogre who identifies as a Halfling could also provide interesting fodder for an adventure or two. Barring some sort of drastic action, I can see why his inclusion might prove problematic for the other contestants in the Little Mootland Wrestling Contest.
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skerrigan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:04 pm If anything that kind of humorous scenario hook can make some lovely 2020 commentary on the controversies facing cis-female athletes. Just the kind of "thought provoking" content I'm sure everyone will welcome.
It's nicely subversive too by illustrating the absurd arguments that transphobes will resort to.
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skerrigan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:04 pm If anything that kind of humorous scenario hook can make some lovely 2020 commentary on the controversies facing cis-female athletes. Just the kind of "thought provoking" content I'm sure everyone will welcome.

"'Arry might be 7 ft. tall and built like a small watch tower, but we found him as a calf, raised 'im in the Moot as a halfling. He's as halfling as they come. So what that he flattened the competition? You could just give us the first prize purse straight away if you like."
Yeah, I like that. Or perhaps Arry the Ogre (only you’re not allowed to call him that any more... now he’s identifying as a Halfling his new name‘s Smiley Happyfeet) should be an over-the-hill or second rate Ogre wrestler. Of course, now he’s competing as a Halfling he’s suddenly world champion...

Oh, and we could throw in some Trans-Ogre Exclusionary Radical Halflings led by Jakey Rolling who inexplicably don’t find Arry’s transformative journey to be “stunning and brave” at all and are trying to get him kicked out of the competition.

Not to mention the controversy when Arry annihilates the Halfling Privies by taking an ogre-sized dump...
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Sword of Solkan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:09 amYeah, I like that. Or perhaps Arry the Ogre (only you’re not allowed to call him that any more... now he’s identifying as a Halfling his new name‘s Smiley Happyfeet) should be an over-the-hill or second rate Ogre wrestler. Of course, now he’s competing as a Halfling he’s suddenly world champion...

Oh, and we could throw in some Trans-Ogre Exclusionary Radical Halflings led by Jakey Rolling who inexplicably don’t find Arry’s transformative journey to be “stunning and brave” at all and are trying to get him kicked out of the competition.

Not to mention the controversy when Arry annihilates the Halfling Privies by taking an ogre-sized dump...
In order for this spoof on transphobia to work, the Ogre has to ultimately lose (because as it turns out transgender athletes aren't notably successful). If you want a dark twist with a moral lesson, maybe the Ogre commits suicide after being shunned from the Moot.
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Halfling poet Davfire Radclin, who became famous as a child by reciting Jakey Rolling's poetry has turned on him, publicly denouncing him as a narrow-minded bigot at the start of the annual Mootland Games. Of course Davfire is preparing for his greatest challenge, taking on og... sorry... halfling 'Arry Trotter. Davfire's kin aren't so keen on this so they hire the Characters to intervene.

This is writing itself.
Sword of Solkan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:09 am Oh, and we could throw in some Trans-Ogre Exclusionary Radical Halflings led by Jakey Rolling who inexplicably don’t find Arry’s transformative journey to be “stunning and brave” at all and are trying to get him kicked out of the competition.

Not to mention the controversy when Arry annihilates the Halfling Privies by taking an ogre-sized dump...
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skerrigan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:56 am Halfling poet Davfire Radclin, who became famous as a child by reciting Jakey Rolling's poetry has turned on him, publicly denouncing him as a narrow-minded bigot at the start of the annual Mootland Games. Of course Davfire is preparing for his greatest challenge, taking on og... sorry... halfling 'Arry Trotter. Davfire's kin aren't so keen on this so they hire the Characters to intervene.

This is writing itself.
Certainly is! 😂

Oh, and the Halflings who aren’t too keen on the whole thing should be called TERMites - Trans-Ogre Exclusionary Radical Mootlanders. Can’t believe I didn’t think of that the first time round!
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I think you guys will need Toby to do a sensitivity read first. :)
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After the Mootland Games 'Arry aka Smiley Happyfeet is to marry Luddy "the Muscles from Auerswald" Lowhaven. This has caused controversy. Former cake-master chef and now TERMite leader Jaques Murrington refused to make the cake, citing the proposed 28mm scale replica fudge ogre groom ornament on the proposed 11-tier cake as structurally unsound. Now pilloried for his discrimination Jaques' Cake-Away, once the Mootland's premiere cake establishment, closed after daily "window accidents".
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You guys should write this up and put it out there. I bet the WFRP community would be really impressed with your clever take on trans issues. :)
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I was dealing with a far larger issue... GW scale creep on their miniatures. 28mm shouldn't be a problem for a cake.
Herr Arnulfe wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:37 am You guys should write this up and put it out there. I bet the WFRP community would be really impressed with your clever take on trans issues. :)
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skerrigan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:39 am I was dealing with a far larger issue... GW scale creep on their miniatures. 28mm shouldn't be a problem for a cake.
Brilliant! Mind if I compile this and post it to the WFRP Gamemasters group on FB as an example of right wing social commentary? With proper credit of course.
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Breaking news! The Mootland Games are overshadowed by fresh controversy when the shocking revelation that celebrated trans-Ogre activist Joosie Smallest has been beaten up by a pair of Halflings who told him “this is Mootland country”.

Not to be outdone, Arry claims to have found a pitchfork - a traditional symbol of anti-ogre prejudice - in his changing room. The Mootland Games’ response that the changing rooms are normally a stable and the pitchfork’s been there for months falls on deaf ears.
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I don't identify as right-wing though. More anarcho-snarky with liberal tendencies.
Herr Arnulfe wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:50 am Brilliant! Mind if I compile this and post it to the WFRP Gamemasters group on FB as an example of right wing social commentary? With proper credit of course.
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In a show of solidarity many halfling farmers are refusing to use the pitchfork as part of their farming routines. Seeking less offensive alternatives that are culturally sensitive the halflings have even gone to the extent of bringing in a wizard from the coast as a sensitivity specialist before the harvest suffers.
Sword of Solkan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:50 am Breaking news! The Mootland Games are overshadowed by fresh controversy when the shocking revelation that celebrated trans-Ogre activist Joosie Smallest has been beaten up by a pair of Halflings who told him “this is Mootland country”.

Not to be outdone, Arry claims to have found a pitchfork - a traditional symbol of anti-ogre prejudice - in his changing room. The Mootland Games’ response that the changing rooms are normally a stable and the pitchfork’s been there for months falls on deaf ears.
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skerrigan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:01 am I don't identify as right-wing though. More anarcho-snarky with liberal tendencies.
Ah, so basically alt-right then.
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In terms of encouraging a wider demographic range of people to play RPGs, I think that characters such as Lucas from the Stranger Things series on Netflix will do far more good than changing the skin colour of Drow Elves. A lot of changes within games seems to be pandering to the woke crowd - it certainly seems like we lost access to Dave Morris' Nippon sourcebook due to such considerations. Ah well - get woke, go broke.

With regards to WFRP specifically, it has always had a theme of black comedy and a sense of the ridiculous running through it (as opposed to the rather po-faced 40K universe). I don't think one has to be a right-wing nut job to mock St Greta or the statue-topplers. I think there's fun to be had in mocking all political tribes, such as the huge walls the Empire constructs on their northern and southern borders during the End Times:
Emperor: "We'll build a wall of bone on the Southern Border. Sylvania will pay for it. Manfred von Carstein is crying about it. SAD."

With regard to writers - I couldn't give two hoots about their race, gender or sexual proclivity, as long as they write good material. In that way I am colour blind (and gender blind, etc). Please let's not bring in issues of cultural appropriation, otherwise us Brits will only be able to write about Albion!
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Alt-middle.
Herr Arnulfe wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:09 am Ah, so basically alt-right then.
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skerrigan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16 am Alt-middle.
Milo Yianopolis describes himself almost verbatim as you did, and he identifies as alt-right. I actually assumed you were trying to channel Milo above.
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