Well, I think that you are to both mistaken and too kind towards the Bretonnian nobility in regards to how much they actually do manage their villages.Orin J. wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:02 pmi think bretonnia is actually a lot harder for cults of personality to get by in- mostly in that questing and grail knights tend to rove around looking for anything suspect that might impose on the grace the lady provides by way of nobles tending to their villages hoping to find evil to thwart. seems more a thing for the rural parts of the empire to get into, what with the priests not bothering to go out to places where there's no glory to be hand.
the poor nobles just reminds me that they literally denied that option for nobles in the core book with their stupid social tiers crap.
I agree with the reasoning behind creating two Bretonnian races would make sense, although in hoestly shouldn't there be like 28 races? One commoner and one noble for each of the duchies?skerrigan wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:50 amBretonnian characters IMHO should be two races. Bretonnian Lowborn and Bretonnian Highborn. That's because racially they should get different starting skills. Peasants and nobles in Bretonnia live completely different lives and the opportunity for literacy or heraldry study is universal to all nobles.
Then careers like the ones above, some of which would be highborn only (noble or knight errant for example), others lowborn only (like Wallwarden).
I must ask you then, what the difference between like two races with 14 versions of each, and 28 races straight off? I do agree that 28 new races is probably to much, but I'm not sure what really separates your solution from mine. Would it be possible to get an example of how you envision your version to work?
Well, I don't know if its "my" Bretonnia or not, but it seems to me that many grail and questioning knights are pretty, well, not really interested in a godson or some eccentric behavior of the villagers, unless they can win something from it. Now a knight can certainly take offense at a godson and kill him, but I don't think there's a real organized effort to keep things clear, like there's an attempt for in the Empire. Its just a bunch of guys without coordination or a plan essentially wandering around as they fancy and killing critters they come across.Orin J. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:55 amOh don't get me wrong, i'm not implying that the nobles have any concerns about peasants getting manipulated (beyond the risk of it cutting into their own rule, i suppose) i mean that there's a rather obnoxious amount of traveling knights out looking for something they can call an "evil cult" to strike down to add to their heroic tales compared to the empire, where roadwardens and witch hunters are consistently overburdened and tend to stick to the larger cities as a base of operations
Well, the part to "protect the peasants" isn't really a thing as far as I can see it. Its more of protecting the "innocent" and thus it can be angled in alot of different ways. Sure you can angle it to protecting the peasants from shenanigans but its just as easily to angle it away from the peasants.Orin J. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:02 pmHey, it's part of the knight's oath to protect the peasants! sure that might not mean they care about them and the flog them from time to time, but if someone (else) comes around making unfair demands of them and claiming they have a god's favor on their side well that smacks of blasphemy. and what better way to show the lady you are a chivalrous and valorous knight worthy of her favor than by saving the poor peasants from being mislead by treachery! and revolt. nobles hate revolts. gotta put any hint of those down. stupid peasants need to be saved from themselves.
I totally agree with this. The absence of divine interaction, even if just in myth and story, with the people living in the world makes for some pretty apathic gods.
I suppose that could work if you like to put it that way. But like you say, tOmato or tomAto.
Brillient!skerrigan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:25 amOne of my favourite exchanges with my Knight Errant PC in our campaign went along the lines of...
"So, you say to the peasantry that a Bretonnian knight is their protector?"
"And that is why you take their wealth."
"Why yes - to pay for their protection."
"So why do you need men-at-arms and peasant rabbles to use as the vanguard of your army. Aren't you having it both ways there."
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