Correct, and I agreed with you that Italian fascism is worthy of academic study. In the context of this WFRP thread however, I had only claimed that there were no examples of "good fascism", and that fascism is not a system of government but rather a system of oppression. So I trust you understand now why I took your response as I did. Just because Italian fascism appealed to Churchill doesn't mean it wasn't evil.Le Passant wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:47 amAs I explained to Herr Arnulfe in private, and tried to do here, to study History you need to study causes, consequences, and everything. Not just say it was "EVIL". Context. Ideology. Success or not. At what cost. For who. Efficiency, in a precise context Public reaction. Impact on society. And all those a debatable. Debatable does not mean "perhaps it's good, let's discuss it", it means "well, why, when, how and for what results ? Let's analyze and do not reproduce the same mistakes". At least in my good old french language, a "débat" is an exchange of ideas which aim to general knowledge and intellectual elevation. The latin practice of "Disputatio". Of course Italian fascism was bad. So what ? History needs us to study it in the same manner. Fictions can do the same, as long as it is accompanied with historical context.
In WFRP terms, Karl-Franz can be seduced to Chaos, without Chaos necessarily having to be morally ambiguous.
It's widely understood that "fascism" is now used as a general term for jack-booted dictatorial oppression. Generally when someone splits hairs over the definition of fascism, it means they're trying to obliviate the argument. "Racism" is similarly understood as a broad category that includes Islamophobic, antisemitic and anti-indigenous prejudice. If you truly didn't understand that "fascism" was being used in the general sense, then I truly apologize.Le Passant wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:47 amI think my positions and interpretations of facts, history, culture and society are incompatibles with the north american point of view, so I will refrain myself to post on the topic (or on that subject) more than that. I honestly do not envy North America, seems complicated.